Comments on: God http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/god When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 1 Cor 13:11 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:30:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: David http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/god#comment-8900 David Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:49:00 +0000 http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/?p=16#comment-8900 If I was held at gunpoint and told to do something that I didn't really want to (ie. hand over my wallet, take off my clothes), is this truly a freedom of choice for me? I mean technically I COULD choose to have my face blown to bits couldn't I? And what's the difference between this and a dictator/god telling us to love him unconditionally or we'll be punished severely? Are you going to torture your kids in your basement for the rest of their lives if/when they choose to disobey you? Then tell them that it's because you love them that you've given them this wonderful choice? You say that we make hundreds of choices every day, but when you're threatened in the ways the bible suggests/when it counts, that's when your freedom turns to shit. In conclusion, your pretend god, if he were real, would be a disgusting pervert worthy of our contempt. If I was held at gunpoint and told to do something that I didn’t really want to (ie. hand over my wallet, take off my clothes), is this truly a freedom of choice for me? I mean technically I COULD choose to have my face blown to bits couldn’t I?
And what’s the difference between this and a dictator/god telling us to love him unconditionally or we’ll be punished severely?

Are you going to torture your kids in your basement for the rest of their lives if/when they choose to disobey you? Then tell them that it’s because you love them that you’ve given them this wonderful choice?

You say that we make hundreds of choices every day, but when you’re threatened in the ways the bible suggests/when it counts, that’s when your freedom turns to shit.

In conclusion, your pretend god, if he were real, would be a disgusting pervert worthy of our contempt.

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]]> By: Al http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/god#comment-8899 Al Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:57:00 +0000 http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/?p=16#comment-8899 Caller - Free will certainly does apply here. Everyone has the freedom to choose. We all make hundreds of choices everyday. The caveat - Everything one does, good or bad, there will be consequences. Example: If you choose to place your hand over an open flame, you will get burned. If you choose to not place your hand over the open flame, you will not get burned. God does not send people to hell. They choose to go to Hell when they choose not to follow Him. Peace be with you. Caller –
Free will certainly does apply here. Everyone has the freedom to choose. We all make hundreds of choices everyday.
The caveat – Everything one does, good or bad, there will be consequences.
Example:
If you choose to place your hand over an open flame, you will get burned. If you choose to not place your hand over the open flame, you will not get burned.

God does not send people to hell. They choose to go to Hell when they choose not to follow Him.

Peace be with you.

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]]> By: H http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/god#comment-19 H Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:11:09 +0000 http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/?p=16#comment-19 Oh but see the concept of free will absolves God of all responsibility for any hellish burnings. And of course it's all the rage in Christianity today to praise Him for His eternal grace for allowing the select few into heaven. A nice little deal he's got going, really... Oh but see the concept of free will absolves God of all responsibility for any hellish burnings. And of course it’s all the rage in Christianity today to praise Him for His eternal grace for allowing the select few into heaven. A nice little deal he’s got going, really…

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]]> By: Concerned Caller http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/god#comment-17 Concerned Caller Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:09:04 +0000 http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/?p=16#comment-17 If God is all knowing he would have known that in creating mankind the overwheliming majority of people who would ever live would have to be totured in hell for all eternity. Armed with this knowledge the question begs, why do it (creation) in the first place? If God is all knowing he would have known that in creating mankind the overwheliming majority of people who would ever live would have to be totured in hell for all eternity. Armed with this knowledge the question begs, why do it (creation) in the first place?

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]]> By: Why I Left the Revival Fellowship http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/god#comment-36 Why I Left the Revival Fellowship Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:00:24 +0000 http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/?p=16#comment-36 Under Christian theology, humans have the free will choice to accept or reject God and to follow or reject the temptation of sin. Assuming this version of reality is true, what happens when you go to heaven? Do you stop wanting to sin? Is it impossible to sin? Or can you still choose to reject God and be sent to hell? <a href="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2009/12/free-will-in-heaven.html" rel="nofollow">Will there be free will in heaven</a>? This YouTube video illustrates the absurdity of it all: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOfjkl-3SNE" rel="nofollow">What Wouldn't Jesus Do?</a> Under Christian theology, humans have the free will choice to accept or reject God and to follow or reject the temptation of sin. Assuming this version of reality is true, what happens when you go to heaven? Do you stop wanting to sin? Is it impossible to sin? Or can you still choose to reject God and be sent to hell? Will there be free will in heaven?

This YouTube video illustrates the absurdity of it all: What Wouldn’t Jesus Do?

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]]> By: Concerned Caller http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/god#comment-21 Concerned Caller Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:41:53 +0000 http://www.whyilefttherevivalfellowship.com/?p=16#comment-21 Free will with very severe consequences is no free will at all. When we really boil it down God is saying do as I tell you to do or burn in Hell for all eternity which is not free will now is it. If God had said you can follow me if you choose to and if you choose not to that's ok too, it's entirely up to you. That would be free will. Which brings me to the next point Sin, so just to help me understand this Sin is defined as disobedience to God. Ok so Sin then is not doing as God tells you to do and therefore if you exercise your "free will" freely you are sinning. Doesn't leave a lot of room for free will does it. So it's do as I tell you to do or burn in hell for all eternity - yep that's real free. Free will with very severe consequences is no free will at all. When we really boil it down God is saying do as I tell you to do or burn in Hell for all eternity which is not free will now is it. If God had said you can follow me if you choose to and if you choose not to that’s ok too, it’s entirely up to you. That would be free will.

Which brings me to the next point Sin, so just to help me understand this Sin is defined as disobedience to God. Ok so Sin then is not doing as God tells you to do and therefore if you exercise your “free will” freely you are sinning. Doesn’t leave a lot of room for free will does it.

So it’s do as I tell you to do or burn in hell for all eternity – yep that’s real free.

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